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  • joemama
    Sep 20, 06:04 PM
    it won't have any dvr functionality... it'll just be frontrow on your tv, and nothing else. woopdee freaking doo

    Well said. This product will NOT sell (after the initial "craze") if there is no DVR functionality. People (general mass of people not macrumors folk) are not ready to pay for individual TV shows. People love DVRs because they can record, watch later and skip commercials.

    In the future when Apple has such a stronghold on the cable industry that companies are forced to move to a pay-per-channel (a-la-carte) system, then sure, but not right now.

    DVR is where it is at for the moment. Apple is going to miss the boat. Apple having an iTV does not make me want to buy TV shows. It simply makes me not want to buy an iTV.





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  • whooleytoo
    Sep 21, 02:47 PM
    I think there's (at least!) two separate debates going on here -

    - what is the best home entertainment network design/topology?
    - how well does the iTV serve the topology Apple has chosen?

    The first question is a doozy. Personally, I think Apple's choice is a bit unwieldy. Have your entertainment network rely on your Mac/PC is fine; except when you need to restart after installing software (could the hard disk in the iTV buffer enough content to keep going until the Mac restarts? Possibly). Another problem is if your home PC is a laptop, which might not be in the home, or will sleep if inadvertently shut.

    Also, it is a bit tedious if you have to get up from your sofa to your Mac, start downloading the film/show, then return to the couch and wait for the film/show to start playing. Wouldn't it be far better if you could purchase the film via the iTV, without having to go to your Mac/PC? (If this is possible, feel free to ignore this paragraph. ;) )

    Personally, I'd prefer to have a home entertainment storage server, essentially something akin to the iTV but with a large hard disk (or RAID) attached, which stores all my iTunes and other media. Anything I buy on my MacBook - songs, TV shows, movies - are backed up to the server when I plug it into my home network (could the Leopard backup APIs achieve this?) and thus always available regardless of where my Mac is. And, I'd watch far more moves if they were just a menu click away, rather than rooting around the house for a DVD case.

    As for the second question, if you accept Apple's argument that the Mac/PC will be the entertainment centre for the home, the iTV is probably the simplest device you could come up with. It's basically an Airport Express with "AirFlicks".

    One thing puzzles me though - the iTV is not a complicated piece of kit, hardly any more so than the mini or any other Mac. So, why did Apple pre-announce earlier this month for release early next year, and not release a finished product?

    Did they think of it too late to finish it in time for the iTunes Movie store announcement? Unlikely - people have been calling for video streaming for some time; and Apple would have been working behind the scenes on the iTunes movie store for some months. The fact that they appear to have finalised the configuration, aesthetics and price would indicate it's more or less done. More likely - iTV is waiting on some other key piece of technology before it can be released. And the obvious answer would be - Leopard.

    iTV isn't being released until the Leopard timeframe, and Leopard has major unannounced features which we won't hear about until Macworld '07. Could it be some Mac media centre functionality as some have suggested?

    p.s. as for a name, how about the "Apple Jack"? Rhymes with Apple Mac, and implies "jacking" all your content into your TV? Whaddya think?

    Eeek! sorry. This post was far longer than I expected!





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  • AppliedVisual
    Oct 26, 10:39 AM
    128 cores by 2010... That might be a little ambitious. I'd definitely buy one though. ;)





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  • MattInOz
    Apr 20, 09:55 PM
    Its build right into the OS to allow tethering for Androids. I am not sure how exactly it is performed on iOS.


    I don't think apple really has any think better on android. Android does have a file system, better notification and real multitasking.

    Also built-in to the OS just go to settings-->personnel hotspot and flick the switch to on after heeding advice that additional charges may apply consult your carrier.

    A file system could be useful, better notifications I can really understand.
    "real" multitasking no-one has every been able to define a real world use that suggests that Apple's take on mobile multi-tasking means I'm missing out of function.

    I know it's not "real" ie programme has free-rain to do what it pleases in the background. But how is it anymore than a marketing tag for geeks?





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  • Consultant
    Apr 20, 05:36 PM
    Good to hear Jobs isn't planning to retire. The question about Android being like Windows was to the Mac to iOS was probably the dumbest question of the call.

    Exactly. Android doesn't have the IBM that give them the PC market.

    Verizon was Android's IBM but now iPhone is now on vz.

    But just like Windows, it's practically impossible to have any problems unless you do something stupid.

    Another analogy - if you buy a car and put the wrong type of oil in it or inflate the tyres to the wrong pressure, bad things will probably happen.

    If you don't know what you're doing with your own devices then maybe you need Apple to hold your hand.

    So you are insulting all Apple users as those who "don't know what you're doing with your own devices."

    Perhaps you didn't realize MILLIONS of Android users downloaded malware.





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  • Prof.
    Jun 19, 01:13 PM
    Didn't their slogan used to be "The carrier with the fewest dropped calls"? Or something to that effect.





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  • dr_lha
    Sep 12, 03:32 PM
    Nice, but I'd need to buy a new TV to use it. My TV doesn't support either Component or HDMI. Would a S-Video output be too much to ask for? I guess maybe they could have a dongle that converts HDMI->S-Video, like I use on my Mac mini right now (DVI -> S-Video).





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  • soLoredd
    Mar 18, 06:08 AM
    How could you be the real IT guy if you believe that? Never meant an IT guy that had to "tweak" a few things to get a system to work, the best toys do what the manufacturer never intended!

    I think it says TV, not IT. ;)





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  • *LTD*
    Apr 28, 08:05 AM
    Then they should include it in such #'s when it WILL be one not while it's not don't you think?





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  • lazyrighteye
    Sep 20, 08:31 AM
    Sounds like a very cool device.

    lets hope for a 60" Apple tv/monitor is coming for release soon. this would power a home theater and be usable for much more

    If this were the case (which would be cool), why not just cram an iTV into the monitor (which would be cooler)?
    "Look ma, no... iTV box thingy (?)!"





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  • sdunlapa
    Oct 7, 09:18 PM
    Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7C144 Safari/528.16)

    Wait a minute, windows mobile is on multiple phones. Why won't they take over iPhone's market share? Everything is always so pie in the sky. I remember when the iPhone was supposed to be a disaster and a sure failure. Something sure went wrong there.





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  • bradl
    Mar 18, 02:01 AM
    Wow... was multi-tasking supported that early, or did we not get that until 4.0. It's early here in Florida and I can't remember.

    But hey, if its working for you... go with it!

    No. it wasn't.

    I rarely use it, and when I do, it is work related. I went the MyWi route after the BenM hole was patched up in iOS > 3.1.

    BL.





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  • macUser2007
    Oct 8, 10:00 AM
    Flash is what will bring the iPhone down.

    I can see the ads:

    iPhone: I have touch.
    Android: Bleh, I have touch too.

    iPhone: I am sleek and I have a 3.5" screen.
    Android: Bleh, nowadays I am sleek too, and I have a 4" screen.

    Android: Oh, and I can surf ALL of the web, including Flash sites and Hulu.
    iPhone (nervously picking a pimple): Bleh, who needs Flash, I hate Flash!!! I hate Flash even more than I hated Copy/Paste. Just wait for HTML5, it'd be here in only 5 years....

    Voiceover: Yes you can! But only with Android.





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  • recursivejon
    Mar 20, 02:23 PM
    If this is true (transfer of the music without DRM to be added by iTunes), then couldn't anyone with a bit of networking knowledge just pipe the packets into a file when they purchase something from the store using iTunes?





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  • geerlingguy
    Aug 29, 11:00 AM
    I think Apple's done a pretty good job, at least from a non-insider perspective. And the fact that they are exteremely open and friendly sharing their environmental information (http://www.apple.com/environment/) is something to consider as well. It is not always easy for the public to find out about a particular company's information from their website.

    Obviously, though, Apple is a corporation, and, like most others, they will many times sacrifice environmental standards to save costs. All major companies (at least in the U.S.) do it�no matter how 'hip' or 'environment-friendly' they may seem. It's an outcome of consumerism.





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  • steve_hill4
    Jul 12, 06:04 AM
    they'll be priced about in line with comparable systems. but that ain't cheap. I priced a dell precision workstation with dual xeon 5160 (3ghz woodcrest), 4GB 533 mhz DDR2 FB-DIMM RAM (apple may just use 667, only $50 more for the 4 gigs) , 2x500GB SATA 3gbps HD, 512mb Quadro FX 4500, no monitor, speakers etc. and it came out to just shy of $7800.

    I then went on the apple store site, built a PM G5 quad with 4GB ECC 533mhz DDR2 SDRAM (4x1gb) which is not as expensive as FBDIMM memory, 2x500GB Sata HDDs (but i think sata 1.5gbps not 3.0), quadro FX 4500, and so on and it came out to a tad over $7000, just shy of $7300 when you add applecare in, since the dell workstation has an included 3 year plan.
    See a huge price difference between your systems here and what stock Mac Pros will include. Almost certainly they will contain a single gig of ram, 256MB graphics and maybe a 300GB HDD. All you described will still be BTO.

    As for Woodcrest, I was speaking to our Apple rep yesterday and he seemed in agreeance that they would have at least one quad, meaning Woodcrest, (he doesn't have access to official information, but seemed to agree he would be surprised if anything else was in the top end). Apple have also recently placed orders with Intel in preperation for WWDC, (which he seemed to confirm Apple will release the Mac Pro then, as if we were ever in doubt).

    My predictions will be as follows:

    MacBook - sticks with Yonah until probably MWSF, speed bumps in time for Christmas.

    MacBook Pro - Merom as soon as possible, possibly WWDC.

    Mac Mini - Yonah for now, Merom once iMac has been updated with new processors. Try to maintain sales as long as possible on cheaper chips.

    iMac - Conroe. I know people will say heat, noise etc, but if Apple can do it for a similar price and similar style to the G5, they must do.

    Mac xPress - Just put that name for fun, but not sure what it would be called. Conroe anyway and system is cheaper, smaller, lower spec Mac. Pretty much a headless iMac, maybe slightly higher spec for slightly lower price, (no display remember), maybe even a model starting just above the Mini in price. True cube replacement. Look out for it possibly at MWSF.

    Mac Pro - Woodcrest in both single and double processors. Conroe would offer similar performance for the singles, but not sure if Apple would mix like that. Possibly dual socket motherboard in all, but single processor allowing later upgrade. WWDC announces G5 PowerMac available until 2nd half 2007 in limited supplies, (for those using apps not yet universal/still a mixture os OSX and classic).

    xServe - Woodcrest. Nothing more to be said.





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  • takao
    Mar 16, 06:08 AM
    And now France are making $3bn EUR a year from exporting electricity - also probably laughing heartily when they see at the price of oil.

    good for them that means finally the EDF can pay back those dozens of billions euro they are in debt
    ;)

    for comparison:
    EdF: 150.000 employees: 65 billion revenue, 1 billion profit in 2010
    the 2 big german energy companies
    RWE: 70.000 employees: 50 billion of revenue, 3 billion of profit
    E.ON: 85.000 employees: 92 billion revenue, 5 billion of profit

    looking at the competition which focus less on nuclear power plants they are doing actually rather bad





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  • jayducharme
    May 5, 02:26 PM
    Coworkers of mine that have switched from Blackberry on AT&T to iPhone have reported an inordinant number of disconnected calls since switching to the iPhone, even though it's the same carrier, same phone number and same physical location of use.


    There seems to be a real split in this thread: people who get lots of dropped calls with the iPhone and people who get none. I haven't had any dropped calls in the two years I've had my iPhone. But there have been many calls that never rang and instead went straight to voicemail.

    I'm wondering if Apple might have produced a slew of defective iPhones, and those are the ones that are dropping calls. It's so strange that people are having such vastly different experiences, regardless of the call area. It sounds more like a hardware/software problem.





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  • Rt&Dzine
    Mar 27, 11:23 AM
    Of course it is. Gay men don't want to be be women and lesbians don't want to be men. We weren't coddled too much by one parent or another. That NARTH garbage is just that- garbage.

    You know the answer to that. People like Bill will never see us as OK, no matter how much proof they're given. The hate us, and disguise their hate as some twisted form of "love". It's sickening.

    And why do people who believe that stuff spend so much time and effort concerning themselves with homosexuality? It obviously threatens them in some personal way. The Bible is filled with "sins" that they pay no attention to.





    mi5moav
    Sep 20, 08:29 AM
    I have a feeling that Apple and Disney are going to partner up on this ITV and somehow integrate MovieBeam into it. I am sure there are already plans in the work. Disney has cut the price on this great technology and this is one piece of technology I wouldn't give up. So, much better then running to the store and the definition of the movies are great. For $52 bucks you get you own video Store. Decent prices on rentals. A lot better then $299 no way will I get iTV but for $199 with moviebeam built in it's possible.





    chrono1081
    May 2, 11:52 AM
    Bigger, most Windows PC have anti-virus, can you say the same for Macs?

    Except antivirus doesn't usually catch things like this, neither does anti-spyware since it acts like a legit program.

    I fix windows machines and servers for a living an unfortunately a majority of my week is spent removing said malware from windows machines.





    alex_ant
    Oct 9, 08:08 PM
    Originally posted by gopher
    Maybe we have, but nobody has provided compelling evidence to the contrary.
    You must be joking. Reference after reference has been provided and you simply break from the thread, only to re-emerge in another thread later. This has happened at least twice now that I can remember.
    The Mac hardware is capable of 18 billion floating calculations a second. Whether the software takes advantage of it that's another issue entirely.
    My arse is capable of making 8-pound turds, but whether or not I eat enough baked beans to take advantage of that is another issue entirely. In other words,

    18 gigaflops = about as likely as an 8-pound turd in my toilet. Possible, yes (under the most severely ridiculous condtions). Real-world, no.
    If someone is going to argue that Macs don't have good floating point performance, just look at the specs.
    For the - what is this, fifth? - time now: AltiVec is incapable of double precision, and is capable of accelerating only that code which is written specifically to take advantage of it. Which is some of it. Which means any high "gigaflops" performance quotes deserve large asterisks next to them.
    If they really want good performance and aren't getting it they need to contact their favorite developer to work with the specs and Apple's developer relations.
    Exactly, this is the whole problem - if a developer wants good performance and can't get it, they have to jump through hoops and waste time and money that they shouldn't have to waste.
    Apple provides the hardware, it is up to developer companies to utilize the hardware the best way they can. If they can't utilize Apple's hardware to its most efficient mode, then they should find better developers.
    Way to encourage Mac development, huh? "Hey guys, come develop for our platform! We've got a 3.5% national desktop market share and a 2% world desktop market share, and we have an uncertain future! We want YOU to spend time and money porting your software to OUR platform, and on top of that, we want YOU to go the extra mile to waste time and money that you shouldn't have to waste just to ensure that your code doesn't run like a dog on our ancient wack-job hack of a processor!"
    If you are going to complain that Apple doesn't have good floating point performance, don't use a PC biased spec like Specfp.
    "PC biased spec like SPECfp?" Yes, the reason PPC does so poorly in SPEC is because SPECfp is biased towards Intel, AMD, Sun, MIPS, HP/Compaq, and IBM (all of whose chips blow the G4 out of the water, and not only the x86 chips - the workstation and server chips too, literally ALL of them), and Apple's miserable performance is a conspiracy engineered by The Man, right?
    Go by actual floating point calculations a second.
    Why? FLOPS is as dumb a benchmark as MIPS. That's the reason cross-platform benchmarks exist.
    Nobody has shown anything to say that PCs can do more floating point calculations a second. And until someone does I stand by my claim.
    An Athlon 1700+ scores about what, 575 in SPECfp2000 (depending on the system)? Results for the 1.25GHz G4 are unavailable (because Apple is ashamed to publish them), but the 1GHz does about 175. Let's be very gracious and assume the new GCC has got the 1.25GHz G4 up to 300. That's STILL terrible. So how about an accurate summary of the G4's floating point performance:

    On the whole, poor.******

    * Very strong on applications well-suited to AltiVec and optimized to take advantage of it.




    Luph67
    Apr 9, 03:06 PM
    There's a market for games with more depth that sell at higher prices, and there's a market for cheap on-the-go games that are great for downtime on the train or waiting at the airport.

    Hopefully Apple and Nintendo jumps into the other's market at some point and we no longer have to have this debate.





    skottichan
    Apr 15, 12:49 PM
    Not if you believe HBO! All Roman women were raging lesbians (or at least bi-sexual).
    The hunky men, not so much� *sigh*
    :p

    Shhhh... don't let them know that...



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